Sunday, 2 February 2025

Astro-modifying my Canon 800D - should I?

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And welcome. 

Welcome to 'UnderSouthWest Skies'. Thanks for stopping by. I hope you find the experience worthwhile. This blog post has been written from my own 'beginner perspective' after doing lots of reading on  various basic astronomy and astrophotography topics of interest to beginners.  In getting my head around it all, I may have got odd bits slightly wrong; but, like you, I am on a leaning journey, so please forgive any unintentional errors.  Also, just because I have gone down a particular road regarding equipment, it doesn't mean that I have chosen the 'CORRECT' route!  

Meanwhile, clear skies to you. Take care and thanks for visiting   Steve aka PlymouthAstroBoy 


Getting my DSLR camera astro-modified

When I heard that after so many years, and over 2500 astro conversions, Andy Ellis of ‘Astronomiser’ was hanging up his tools – I immediately did some research and reached a decision. 

My research was – ‘what are the advantages and disadvantages of astro modifying my camera’ and I have sort of summarised my findings below.

The decision? I am posting my DSLR to Andy ASAP, having got one of his last conversion slots. He came highly recommended and I haven't been able to find someone else in the UK at the moment who would do it. Ideally I wanted to wait another year or so until I was better at post editing but, as is always the case, I've decided to jump right in and get it done now. 😕

So, what is astro modifying a DSLR all about?

I have a Canon 800D. It is several years old now. It has become my astrophotography camera. I tend to use a compact Canon digital zoom for my daily photography as it is compact, easy to slip into a pocket on my travels and takes really good photos.

Copyright: Astronomiser Andy Ellis 
And this is why I could never ever do such a modification myself, despite several good YouTube tutorials on line! 

Now my Canon camera, like other Canons, has a fitted filter that cuts out swathes of red light at a particular frequencies (about 75% of the light in the red band I think) – and this can really affect the Hydrogen Alpha band of emission nebulae. Thus to have a better chance of capturing the red in nebulae etc, then I have to do lots of long exposures - making an astrophotography session, very long! 

But, what is the science behind the astro modification? 

I am going to defer to my go to guru on astrophotography, the one and only Alyn Wallace, who very sadly passed away last year. In his video which I have put in below and in his outstanding book 'Photographing the night sky' , Alyn sort of sums up the science as follows

"The Bohr model - electrons exist in quanitsed energy levels surrounding an atom's nucleus. An atom absorbs energy and the electrons may jump to a higher state - this is described as them being excited. Excited atoms drop to a more stable level and the excess energy is emitted as  photons of light. 

H-alpha emissions produced by hydrogen atoms happen when the electrons fall from the 3rd level to the 2nd lowest energy level.  The photon of light emitted during the process has a wavelength of 656 nm, putting it into the deep red section of visible light"

So, what does this mean? Stock cameras only record 15 - 20% of the H-alpha light detected at the sensor.  Remove the filter and the cameras red response gets improved by a whopping x4 in this Hydrogen Alpha band, thus reducing the amount of imaging time required. The mod will also improve my milky way photos, shots of star forming regions and enhance any hydrogen alpha in galaxies.  

At least, that's what I understand thus far! 

Copyright: Astronomiser Andy Ellis
I know that if I did this, after re-assembling the camera - i'd discover bits 'left over'! 

So, I am getting the rear filter removed. This is a UV/IR cut and colour correcting filter so I am told. Hence its an ‘IR Mod’. They key here is its removal stops the colour correcting bit which is where the 75% of light loss occurs.

At least I think this is right. As always, I flag up my long-standing caveat – I’m a beginner at astrophotography and so I may make mistakes, for which I apologise! If you think I have anything wrong, drop me a comment and I will correct it immediately. Remember, this is a blog written by a beginner, for beginners!

Back to my astro-mod. I think Andy will remove this rear filter and reposition the sensor to correct for the loss of the filter glass.

Copyright: Astronomiser Andy Ellis 


So, lets move onto the advantages of doing this mod – I have already raised a few:

·        Removal of the filter will allow more sensitivity light to the Hydrogen Alpha band  - easier to capture faint red wavelengths!

·        Increased sensitivity means I can capture more detailed vibrant images of DSO’s in shorter imaging sessions - more accurate colours

·        I will be able to do better narrowband imaging

·        With shorter imaging time, my images should suffer from fewer stars overwhelming the main DSO I am imaging

·        I can still use my  existing DSLR lenses and Zenithstar 61ii small refractor

Disadvantages of doing the mod:

·        My camera will now capture all images in the red spectrum and so I will need to make a custom white balance adjustment if I want to use the camera for daylight shots OR I can use a clip in astronomic OWB filter to compensate (although many report that this filter causes flaring if there is a bright light source in your image). I read somewhere that setting a WB of 2500K for daylight photography will work but only time will tell. I could do post editing WB adjustments but as I am already struggling with affinity photo already, adding to my woes seems daft! Basically day time and night time landscape shots will have a magenta tint!

·        an astro-modified camera might struggle with capturing detail in bright objects like the moon due to its increased sensitivity to red light. 

·        For capturing lunar details or wide-field shots with a high dynamic range, an unmodified camera might be preferable. 

·        I may lose automatic focusing on my lenses (not an issue for me as I tend to use them all in manual focusing mode at night)

·        The costs of the astronomic filter and conversion

·        It will void my factory warranty (but that was already out of date anyway)

·        I am going to get post editing frustration as I will need to do colour corrections to my milky way landscapes – they will have a purplish hue! So, I will need to re-write my cheat notes about post editing work flow.


Is the modification worth doing? 

Jury out on that as far as I make out on various forums. For everyone who says yes, someone says no! Many say invest in a tracker instead for any landscape photography and don’t mod the camera.

I have decided to take the plunge. If nothing else, it will force me to master colour correcting techniques in Affinity Photo! Or I buy the Astronomik / Optolong OWB filter and use that. 

https://www.365astronomy.com/optolong-owb-ccd-(original-white-balance)-clip-filter-for-canon-eos-aps-c-cameras?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAiAh6y9BhBREiwApBLHC0QP_4hdXEvA_H_2CjmBSeZpL4PiGSJtZu4wXTzTF7hk4mDdcxT2sRoCOsMQAvD_BwE


Below are some of the videos I looked at: 




AstroOnBudget





PhotoPills 


Kamil Pekala

NOTE: The videos above are just ones I watched. There are plenty of others out there which detail the pro's and cons' of astro-modifying your DSLR.  I am not recommending these channels as such, although I will admit that Kamil's, Nico's, Alyn's and Nightscapes - have been channels that I have found to be really informative. 

So what about this custom white balance malarkey? 

It is one of the major disadvantages to getting the camera modified. Theoretically, I have read that the Ha mod shouldn't really affect the white balance when I use the camera during day time. As I said, this doesn't worry me - the camera is for astrophotography - my compact canon will do my daytime photography. 

Its is whether it will affect my mightlime milky way landscape shots - that's the issue. I have learned/been taught to take two separate images when doing such a shot - one of the sky; the other of the landscape foreground features. I then blend them together. 

So will the conversion affect the hue/tint of the latter foreground shots? 

Well the answer seems to be - it might OR it might not! 

How can I get around this?  Firstly, I could do post corrections in Affinity Photo. Auto levels adjustments will probably do it. Easy to do, I already have AP as well. The downside? Well, you won't know whether it works until you try it and so I might lose a whole night of various landscape foreground shots, when I discover 'auto-levels' doesn't work! 

OK! So option 2 then! 

I use a corrective filter. The obvious one is the Astronomik OWB - type 3 one. A simple to fit design, like my Optolong L Pro, you just go shoot your images in daylight or nigh time as normal.  Disadvantages? Can't use EF-S lenses because they project back into the camera body and so will collide with the clip-in filter. Apparently, when you look through the viewfinder, they will give the scene a bluish tinge. And currently retailing at £166 they are pricey. As well as difficult to get hold of it seems!! 

Option 3 - set a custom white balance! 

As I understand it to set a custom white balance, I shoot a piece of white paper under the same lighting conditions as I will be shooting in during daylight. I keep it on my SD card. Andy Ellis on his website gives this description: 

"The piece of paper is on the floor in a well lit area; focus manually and to infinity, fill the viewfinder with the out of focus sheet. Take the shot."

Then to set the custom white balance all I do is navigate my menu system until I find Custom White Balance  - select it and then choose the image you need and press the 'set' button.  Advantages? Relatively straight forward to do and quick. Disadvantages? I think you need to reset it each time for the differing conditions you shoot in and I'm still none the clearer as to whether this applies for night time photography! 

Anyway, when the camera is back, I will do some test shots and come back and update this post with my findings. 

Clear skies, have fun, stay safe out there at night

Steve 

Postscript:

Well here we are a few weeks later and I managed to do several nights imaging whilst on a recent motorhome trip to the Isle of Purbeck area. 

First thing to note, yep, there is a definite magenta tint to daytime/blue hour photographs. There is a horrendous tangerine tint to any night time shots in a Bortle 4 area! 

Upside - the Ha gases definitely come through x 4 what they did when it was un-modded. 

So here are the first test shots - single frames taken across the nights:

Canon 800D Samyang 14mm f/2.8 ISO 800 60"

Canon 800D Samyang 135mm f/2.8 ISO 800 40"

Canon 800D Samyang 14mm f/2.8 ISO 800 60"

with samyang 14mm ISO 800 f/2.8 20"

with samyang 14mm ISO 800 f/2.8 55"

And straight away we can see the orangery-magenta cast across the images. But, at the same time, the image of m42 orion nebula does show increased magenta H-alpha colouration - more than I would normally get.  

And here are some quick images processed - all stacked in sequator and quick dirty first edits in affinity photo:









In this image you can see the M42 orion nebula, the running man nebula and then top right, the horsehead nebula and the flame nebula as well 



First off, it is amazing how many different colour variations I can get processing the same stacked images! 😕 
Secondly, there are definite post processing tricks to getting a correct white balance and I need to work out how to do it and when to do it in a post editing work flow - so some YouTube tutorial studying to do! 😉
On a positive note - firstly, so much more of that H-alpha gas is coming out in the images - even if the colouration is wrong. So - how to colour balance is something else to explore!  I may get better results stacking is Siril although the very first two images of this set above were done in siril - GraXpert - affinity photo. Somewhere I am doing something really wrong and it is trying to work out what and where! 

I will keep you posted and update this post as and when I learn the new techniques. Meanwhile if you have any post editing tips or comments about what I might be doing wrong, please share them in a comment below so that all of us still learning can benefit from your knowledge and experience. And, thank you for doing so - it is much appreciated.

Clear skies, warm nights, and great stargazing to you all. Stay safe out there and have fun

Steve 

Postscript:

My first effort at using the above and blending to form a composite image with some taken at same time during and just after blue hour 








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